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		<title>Comment on Do you want to have your final say? by Decha Boonmalison</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=750#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Decha Boonmalison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At present we are now in modern age all the people is in competition everything and everywhere ,Thus it is important for poor farmer and poor people in the world .
1.Government shoud be support farmland and water enough to do agriculture all the year for poor people   
2Donor and private sector should be  confirm market price and specific plant to growing in each condition farmland poor people  more over donor and private sector must be support some apply easy equipment  center farmland 
3.organisations and civil social must to service information ,data and solve the problem to farmland with example successful farmland  no need organisation  and civil social to do and study like in the past more and more study and research more and more poor people in modern age
   How ever if poor people have own farmland and water suppy farmland by the government any problem for poor people will be reduce in the future . alhough gariculture in very high risk and hard work but every life must  eat food everyday .The world will be happy and peace if we help together</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At present we are now in modern age all the people is in competition everything and everywhere ,Thus it is important for poor farmer and poor people in the world .<br />
1.Government shoud be support farmland and water enough to do agriculture all the year for poor people<br />
2Donor and private sector should be  confirm market price and specific plant to growing in each condition farmland poor people  more over donor and private sector must be support some apply easy equipment  center farmland<br />
3.organisations and civil social must to service information ,data and solve the problem to farmland with example successful farmland  no need organisation  and civil social to do and study like in the past more and more study and research more and more poor people in modern age<br />
   How ever if poor people have own farmland and water suppy farmland by the government any problem for poor people will be reduce in the future . alhough gariculture in very high risk and hard work but every life must  eat food everyday .The world will be happy and peace if we help together</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do you want to have your final say? by Simon Mwamba</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=750#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Mwamba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the report has revealed the reality of what small-scale producers are facing, the challenge for smallscale farmers organisation still remains to be governance processes that continue to exclude them from participating in the so called &quot;consultations&#039;. This is the major challenge as policy makers are willing to go to the bottom most place in bending procedure in the name of providing a favourable Environment for the so called Investors. Like is the cse in Zambia, our government is willing to even go to the extent of subsidising the investors by using Tax payers money to set up Agricultural blocks with all the needed facilities/ Infrastructure only to be given to the land grabers. We have no option but to mobilise the farmers and start challenging our governments even if this is often looked upon as being oppsed to development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the report has revealed the reality of what small-scale producers are facing, the challenge for smallscale farmers organisation still remains to be governance processes that continue to exclude them from participating in the so called &#8220;consultations&#8217;. This is the major challenge as policy makers are willing to go to the bottom most place in bending procedure in the name of providing a favourable Environment for the so called Investors. Like is the cse in Zambia, our government is willing to even go to the extent of subsidising the investors by using Tax payers money to set up Agricultural blocks with all the needed facilities/ Infrastructure only to be given to the land grabers. We have no option but to mobilise the farmers and start challenging our governments even if this is often looked upon as being oppsed to development.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Many Commodities &#8211; One Standard by Johann Zueblin</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=736#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Johann Zueblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add a few comments on the issue.
We have to consider that the land issue has to be taken care of at two completely different levels. At country level; Each country has its own rules and regulations and law enforcement bodies. But as mentioned, local  regulations cover in most cases as well the local traditions regarding land ownership and land use.  Very often local institutions do not have much information or knowledge about international rules and regulations. In the case we talking about, these regulations are not or not yet existing. At international level; we do not or not yet have clear regulations – that’s the reason we are discussing about – and the involved international partners / companies apply to a certain extend their own rules. These rules are in many cases based on making short term profit. This may differ from the programs of the countries looking for food security for their people. 
I think we must get the knowhow from where it exists and avoid to set up new organizations and programs.  If we think about the long term experience of the big international food operations who work in many countries or the international traders who exist as well since long time. The key world is “Best Practice”. We should avoid to set new laws and regulations. If we are capable to define Best Practice one could then benchmark or map existing or future programs or projects against that reference by using an equivalence process. This approach would help to compare the different approaches without judging them and make them public.
With such an approach we could cover all different factors and issues for all countries without setting a new organization or new regulations. You may check on the GSCP program, where we have developed this kind of approach successfully, see http://www.gscpnet.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add a few comments on the issue.<br />
We have to consider that the land issue has to be taken care of at two completely different levels. At country level; Each country has its own rules and regulations and law enforcement bodies. But as mentioned, local  regulations cover in most cases as well the local traditions regarding land ownership and land use.  Very often local institutions do not have much information or knowledge about international rules and regulations. In the case we talking about, these regulations are not or not yet existing. At international level; we do not or not yet have clear regulations – that’s the reason we are discussing about – and the involved international partners / companies apply to a certain extend their own rules. These rules are in many cases based on making short term profit. This may differ from the programs of the countries looking for food security for their people.<br />
I think we must get the knowhow from where it exists and avoid to set up new organizations and programs.  If we think about the long term experience of the big international food operations who work in many countries or the international traders who exist as well since long time. The key world is “Best Practice”. We should avoid to set new laws and regulations. If we are capable to define Best Practice one could then benchmark or map existing or future programs or projects against that reference by using an equivalence process. This approach would help to compare the different approaches without judging them and make them public.<br />
With such an approach we could cover all different factors and issues for all countries without setting a new organization or new regulations. You may check on the GSCP program, where we have developed this kind of approach successfully, see <a href="http://www.gscpnet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gscpnet.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Many Commodities &#8211; One Standard by Kiril Georgievski</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=736#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiril Georgievski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related to my previous comment i would like to add 

I am thinking for the coming period in the future, as a possibility  of organizing and developing of International network- of  independent Agency&#039;s  for land management with in each country , which  has to have   great influence in political  decisions related to land management. Those Agency&#039;s should be supported with EU regulations , and EU recommendations for the member states  and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related to my previous comment i would like to add </p>
<p>I am thinking for the coming period in the future, as a possibility  of organizing and developing of International network- of  independent Agency&#8217;s  for land management with in each country , which  has to have   great influence in political  decisions related to land management. Those Agency&#8217;s should be supported with EU regulations , and EU recommendations for the member states  and others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have your final say! by Mamy Rakotondrainibe</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=747#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Mamy Rakotondrainibe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contribution of the Collective for the Défense of Malagasy Lands – TANY
 

The World Bank initiative to define principles and ecommendations on the farmlands investments in the global scale is praiseworthy. But within a civil society organization (CSO) such  as the Collective for the defense of Malagasy lands – TANY,  it raises numerous questions as for its own capacity to resist to the rich investors ambitions and logics and as for the impact of its propositions to defend the rights and interests of the poorest and most vulnerable populations of the developing countries targeted in the process, especially  the farmers.

Madagascar would appear in the 3rd rank of the Africa countries where the investments on farmlands would be important in the next years 1. In front of the seriousness of the stakes, it seems to us vital to seize the opportunity of this debate to reaffirm a few fundamental principles on these deals while the World Bank, its subsidiaries and partners are trying to improve the modalities and regulations in order to increase benefits for the local populations.

 

We consider three essential ideas to pass on in this debate within the framework of the World Bank:

The investments on farmlands should not include either sales or transfers of lands to the foreigners investors but rents the maximal duration of which will be determined during a national debate in the country. In Madagascar the law forbidding the sale of lands to foreigners was replaced in 2003 2  by a law the application decree of  which precised that the lands acquisition would be allowed only for the foreigners whose investments exceeded  $ 500 000.  At the beginning of 2008, a new law 2007-036 3  was voted authorizing the acquisition of lands by any foreign company which had a Malagasy subsidiary ; the application decree of this law has never been published, but the law has been already applied at least at the level of the Economic Development Board of Madagascar implementation. This structure was created to facilitate the steps of the foreign investors, was financed by the World Bank during the first years  and its activities are almost frozen following the World Bank financing interruption in 2009. The opening of the lands sale to the foreigners is often quoted as one of the conditions required by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund for the Malagasy leaders.
The international institutions should demand the transparency on contracts between the foreign investors and the states or the companies or the populations of countries addressees of the investments. No serious action of the CSOs  can be led in a effective way without this transparency,
* either at the beginning to check if all the stakeholders are informed and participate in the negotiations, and if the studies of social, environmental and economic impacts are realized and adequate
* or during the realization follow-up, to verify if the diverse contract terms are respected

* or at the end of the project, to assure that the contract is not renewed if all the parties do not wish it.

If we hope to improve profits for the host populations and  countries, the investments on farmlands  should  assure from the beginning the economic and financial advantages that the populations will win in addition to the absence of negative environmental and social consequences. Roads and big infrastructures such as the village electrification are mainly useful to the investor project development , schools, health centres and the other units with a social vocation have a limited impact even when they are really built.  A sharing of the financial profits between the investors and the involved populations based on an appreciation &quot;at their true worth&quot; of the lands and other local partners  contributions  is  already practised in rare contracts 4 and should be generalized. The CSOs will then take care of making the populations aware of their rights and of the importance of their lands and natural resources values. The duty of the CSO and the citizens will consist in setting up economic development projects, in working on the public capacity increasing, especially  in the fragile States, to control the social, environmental and economic impacts, and to guarantee a fair fallout of the profits.
 

(1)     http://farmlandgrab.org/15590 (Tableau 1)

(2)     Loi n°2003-028 du 21.08.2003 - Décret n°2003-897 du 27.08.03 in http://newmada.ifrance.com/presentation.htm

(3)     http://www.banque-centrale.mg/index.php?id=m4_4_1_11

(4)     http://malibiocarburant.com/Sustainable_production.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contribution of the Collective for the Défense of Malagasy Lands – TANY</p>
<p>The World Bank initiative to define principles and ecommendations on the farmlands investments in the global scale is praiseworthy. But within a civil society organization (CSO) such  as the Collective for the defense of Malagasy lands – TANY,  it raises numerous questions as for its own capacity to resist to the rich investors ambitions and logics and as for the impact of its propositions to defend the rights and interests of the poorest and most vulnerable populations of the developing countries targeted in the process, especially  the farmers.</p>
<p>Madagascar would appear in the 3rd rank of the Africa countries where the investments on farmlands would be important in the next years 1. In front of the seriousness of the stakes, it seems to us vital to seize the opportunity of this debate to reaffirm a few fundamental principles on these deals while the World Bank, its subsidiaries and partners are trying to improve the modalities and regulations in order to increase benefits for the local populations.</p>
<p>We consider three essential ideas to pass on in this debate within the framework of the World Bank:</p>
<p>The investments on farmlands should not include either sales or transfers of lands to the foreigners investors but rents the maximal duration of which will be determined during a national debate in the country. In Madagascar the law forbidding the sale of lands to foreigners was replaced in 2003 2  by a law the application decree of  which precised that the lands acquisition would be allowed only for the foreigners whose investments exceeded  $ 500 000.  At the beginning of 2008, a new law 2007-036 3  was voted authorizing the acquisition of lands by any foreign company which had a Malagasy subsidiary ; the application decree of this law has never been published, but the law has been already applied at least at the level of the Economic Development Board of Madagascar implementation. This structure was created to facilitate the steps of the foreign investors, was financed by the World Bank during the first years  and its activities are almost frozen following the World Bank financing interruption in 2009. The opening of the lands sale to the foreigners is often quoted as one of the conditions required by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund for the Malagasy leaders.<br />
The international institutions should demand the transparency on contracts between the foreign investors and the states or the companies or the populations of countries addressees of the investments. No serious action of the CSOs  can be led in a effective way without this transparency,<br />
* either at the beginning to check if all the stakeholders are informed and participate in the negotiations, and if the studies of social, environmental and economic impacts are realized and adequate<br />
* or during the realization follow-up, to verify if the diverse contract terms are respected</p>
<p>* or at the end of the project, to assure that the contract is not renewed if all the parties do not wish it.</p>
<p>If we hope to improve profits for the host populations and  countries, the investments on farmlands  should  assure from the beginning the economic and financial advantages that the populations will win in addition to the absence of negative environmental and social consequences. Roads and big infrastructures such as the village electrification are mainly useful to the investor project development , schools, health centres and the other units with a social vocation have a limited impact even when they are really built.  A sharing of the financial profits between the investors and the involved populations based on an appreciation &#8220;at their true worth&#8221; of the lands and other local partners  contributions  is  already practised in rare contracts 4 and should be generalized. The CSOs will then take care of making the populations aware of their rights and of the importance of their lands and natural resources values. The duty of the CSO and the citizens will consist in setting up economic development projects, in working on the public capacity increasing, especially  in the fragile States, to control the social, environmental and economic impacts, and to guarantee a fair fallout of the profits.</p>
<p>(1)     <a href="http://farmlandgrab.org/15590" rel="nofollow">http://farmlandgrab.org/15590</a> (Tableau 1)</p>
<p>(2)     Loi n°2003-028 du 21.08.2003 &#8211; Décret n°2003-897 du 27.08.03 in <a href="http://newmada.ifrance.com/presentation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://newmada.ifrance.com/presentation.htm</a></p>
<p>(3)     <a href="http://www.banque-centrale.mg/index.php?id=m4_4_1_11" rel="nofollow">http://www.banque-centrale.mg/index.php?id=m4_4_1_11</a></p>
<p>(4)     <a href="http://malibiocarburant.com/Sustainable_production.html" rel="nofollow">http://malibiocarburant.com/Sustainable_production.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Importance of land information systems by Hubert Ouedraogo</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=743#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert Ouedraogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank for your interesting comments on this topic. Let me add a few questions to yours about land registration: i) which lands need to be registered and why? ii) registered on behalf of whom; iii) consequently, which procedures and related costs? Sure, these are matters of interesting research, mainly when innovative land certification systems have proven better efficiency than the Torrens systems. Thanks, Hubert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for your interesting comments on this topic. Let me add a few questions to yours about land registration: i) which lands need to be registered and why? ii) registered on behalf of whom; iii) consequently, which procedures and related costs? Sure, these are matters of interesting research, mainly when innovative land certification systems have proven better efficiency than the Torrens systems. Thanks, Hubert</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have your final say! by Ken Shawa</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=747#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Shawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The report has come at the right time. We need investment in agriculture but should do this with great caution. As the report says, land expansion does not really translate into increases in crop production. I would encourage that we promote land saving technologies e.g irrigation. Land expansion should be focussed with clear assessment of expected results. This should also be done with due consideration to the environmental, social and political  impacts especially in Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report has come at the right time. We need investment in agriculture but should do this with great caution. As the report says, land expansion does not really translate into increases in crop production. I would encourage that we promote land saving technologies e.g irrigation. Land expansion should be focussed with clear assessment of expected results. This should also be done with due consideration to the environmental, social and political  impacts especially in Africa.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have your final say! by Ann K Myles</title>
		<link>http://ediscussion.donorplatform.org/?p=747#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann K Myles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recent experiences from Ethiopia, when participating in the preparation of a project proposal for donor support to land administration in two regional states. Issues and conclusions listed below are based on conversations with federal, regional and local land officials, and donor representatives, and have relevance for the land-grab (or land give-away) discussion.  In short; in Ethiopia land cannot be individually owned, but land rights are recognized as land use rights (e.g. for small scale farms) or leases (e.g. for commercial farms). According to current proclamations (acts) land use rights can be expropriated only for a public purpose (“the rural land shall not be expropriated unless to use for public services). Land rights cannot be traded, i.e. sold to willing buyers. It appears that authorities in Ethiopia consider both foreign and national “land investments” as public purposes, i.e. a valid reason for expropriation of existing land use rights. 

The consequences of this are, for example:

1) For change of land use(r), land has to be expropriated. Whenever land is needed for a new purpose, e.g. to build a road, to develop a housing area or for an investment in commercial agriculture, existing land use rights cannot be purchased – they have to be expropriated. 

2) This legal set-up forces the Government to act as a middleman (land rights broker) between people who have land rights and people or businesses who have not. It is the Government that has to expropriate land and make it available to investors. Compensation that must be paid by the government cannot be immediately recovered, as investors only lease – not purchase – the land use right. Additionally, the government has to keep a cadre of civil servants on all levels of government to handle these operations. By separating the two parties – the “buyer” and the “seller” – the parties also miss out on an opportunity to negotiate a better deal that could benefit them both, for instance employment for the current landholder in the new business.

3) Compensation for expropriated land use rights cannot buy another landholding. A hard working and productive farmer might unwillingly loose his landholding, but cannot use the compensation he receives to buy land use rights from another farmer, even if this other farmer would be more than willing to sell and venture into some other area of livelihood. 

4) Small scale framers will remain small. A farmer can expand his/her operations by renting land, but the interest of the farmer to improve and invest in rented land is likely to be much lower than for a landholding that is secure over time. The able farmers are largely confined to inadequately sized farms, while less able (or reluctant) farmers, cannot sell their holdings but must stay on the land for risk of loosing everything they have if they move away to try some other way of earning a living.
 
5) There is little access to finance for investing in farms. Rural land use rights must not be mortgaged, but the law approves of land leases, e.g. for commercial farming, being used as collateral for loans. However, banks are not willing to lend money with only a lease right as collateral. If the borrower defaults on his loan, the land cannot be repossessed by the bank and sold to recover the outstanding debt. Lack of finance may be the reason why many farms allocated to national “investors” are lying idle or only partly used. 

6) Communal land may be regarded as free land. Traditional agro-pastoralists communities or clans usually have large areas of communal land which is used as grazing land, for collection of firewood or honey, or for slash and burn agriculture. These communal land areas, which are only used periodically, may appear as vacant and may thus be considered as potential land that could be allocated for investments. Such land could be allocated to an investor without any compensation to the community. With extensive allocations (as is now happening in BG) there is a risk that indigenous groups will not be able to sustain themselves from the remaining land in the future.

7) At the end of the lease period an investor will return the land to the State. Approaching the period’s end, the investor can be assumed to have little interest in investing in maintaining land productivity. There is a risk, therefore, that the soil will have been gradually depleted by the time the land is reverted to the State. If the investor had an option to sell the land use right, if and when he no longer wants to pursue his operations, the land would most probably be better looked after.

My thoughts around this are that:
- Expropriation of rural land for commercial farming must be re-examined. Is commercial farming really a “public service”? Authorities need to be absolutely certain that the public in general (including small scale farmers) will benefit from an investment before expropriation takes place. 
- Also extensively used land is “held” by somebody. There is in fact hardly any “free” land today in Ethiopia. Compensation should be given to communities or individuals that loose such land, also in the cases when land use rights have not been officially registered. 
- Land use or lease rights might not offer sufficient tenure security for landholders, especially if they so easily can be expropriated. Low tenure security leads to lower agriculture productivity. Maybe land ownership could gradually be introduced? I write this hesitantly, as I have always argued that leases are as good as freeholds, but the situation in Ethiopia has changed my view there.
- Restrictions in trading land use rights and leases should be eased. A more open land market could improve economic as well as social development. The condition is, however, that proper protection is put in place to avoid the creation of a large landless and poor population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recent experiences from Ethiopia, when participating in the preparation of a project proposal for donor support to land administration in two regional states. Issues and conclusions listed below are based on conversations with federal, regional and local land officials, and donor representatives, and have relevance for the land-grab (or land give-away) discussion.  In short; in Ethiopia land cannot be individually owned, but land rights are recognized as land use rights (e.g. for small scale farms) or leases (e.g. for commercial farms). According to current proclamations (acts) land use rights can be expropriated only for a public purpose (“the rural land shall not be expropriated unless to use for public services). Land rights cannot be traded, i.e. sold to willing buyers. It appears that authorities in Ethiopia consider both foreign and national “land investments” as public purposes, i.e. a valid reason for expropriation of existing land use rights. </p>
<p>The consequences of this are, for example:</p>
<p>1) For change of land use(r), land has to be expropriated. Whenever land is needed for a new purpose, e.g. to build a road, to develop a housing area or for an investment in commercial agriculture, existing land use rights cannot be purchased – they have to be expropriated. </p>
<p>2) This legal set-up forces the Government to act as a middleman (land rights broker) between people who have land rights and people or businesses who have not. It is the Government that has to expropriate land and make it available to investors. Compensation that must be paid by the government cannot be immediately recovered, as investors only lease – not purchase – the land use right. Additionally, the government has to keep a cadre of civil servants on all levels of government to handle these operations. By separating the two parties – the “buyer” and the “seller” – the parties also miss out on an opportunity to negotiate a better deal that could benefit them both, for instance employment for the current landholder in the new business.</p>
<p>3) Compensation for expropriated land use rights cannot buy another landholding. A hard working and productive farmer might unwillingly loose his landholding, but cannot use the compensation he receives to buy land use rights from another farmer, even if this other farmer would be more than willing to sell and venture into some other area of livelihood. </p>
<p>4) Small scale framers will remain small. A farmer can expand his/her operations by renting land, but the interest of the farmer to improve and invest in rented land is likely to be much lower than for a landholding that is secure over time. The able farmers are largely confined to inadequately sized farms, while less able (or reluctant) farmers, cannot sell their holdings but must stay on the land for risk of loosing everything they have if they move away to try some other way of earning a living.</p>
<p>5) There is little access to finance for investing in farms. Rural land use rights must not be mortgaged, but the law approves of land leases, e.g. for commercial farming, being used as collateral for loans. However, banks are not willing to lend money with only a lease right as collateral. If the borrower defaults on his loan, the land cannot be repossessed by the bank and sold to recover the outstanding debt. Lack of finance may be the reason why many farms allocated to national “investors” are lying idle or only partly used. </p>
<p>6) Communal land may be regarded as free land. Traditional agro-pastoralists communities or clans usually have large areas of communal land which is used as grazing land, for collection of firewood or honey, or for slash and burn agriculture. These communal land areas, which are only used periodically, may appear as vacant and may thus be considered as potential land that could be allocated for investments. Such land could be allocated to an investor without any compensation to the community. With extensive allocations (as is now happening in BG) there is a risk that indigenous groups will not be able to sustain themselves from the remaining land in the future.</p>
<p>7) At the end of the lease period an investor will return the land to the State. Approaching the period’s end, the investor can be assumed to have little interest in investing in maintaining land productivity. There is a risk, therefore, that the soil will have been gradually depleted by the time the land is reverted to the State. If the investor had an option to sell the land use right, if and when he no longer wants to pursue his operations, the land would most probably be better looked after.</p>
<p>My thoughts around this are that:<br />
- Expropriation of rural land for commercial farming must be re-examined. Is commercial farming really a “public service”? Authorities need to be absolutely certain that the public in general (including small scale farmers) will benefit from an investment before expropriation takes place.<br />
- Also extensively used land is “held” by somebody. There is in fact hardly any “free” land today in Ethiopia. Compensation should be given to communities or individuals that loose such land, also in the cases when land use rights have not been officially registered.<br />
- Land use or lease rights might not offer sufficient tenure security for landholders, especially if they so easily can be expropriated. Low tenure security leads to lower agriculture productivity. Maybe land ownership could gradually be introduced? I write this hesitantly, as I have always argued that leases are as good as freeholds, but the situation in Ethiopia has changed my view there.<br />
- Restrictions in trading land use rights and leases should be eased. A more open land market could improve economic as well as social development. The condition is, however, that proper protection is put in place to avoid the creation of a large landless and poor population.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Carin Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rough translation from the french version:

Dear Participants, 
Let me first apologise for not being able to participate earlier in the eDiscussion. 

Like you have been able to gather, the issue of large-scale land acquisitions is a real concern today for governments and people. But they do not have the same preoccupations:

For governments, large-scale acquisiton of land is an opportunity for investment in agriculture, that allows them to get out of the logic of small production and to benefit from exports, but the reality on the ground has proven that governments themselves do not know what the investors do with the land once they have bought it. Their hope of large-scale production to feed their people seems grim. On the other hand, they now face uprisings from the people whose lands are looted.

For communities, they are never consulted, nor informed when the governments negotiate with the investors. They are presented with a fait accompli and the clauses of the contract do not say much about them, which leads to their revolt; civil society is not consulted either and finds themselves in a position to defend the interests of communities.

Concerning intergovernmental organisations, they are not consulted either by the states who have concluded these deals and they also find themselves in a situation of fait accompli. This land issues is at the heart of state sovereignty, which means that intergovernmental organisations have very little ability to pressure these states.

We think that:
- Consultation within countries between governments and communities and civil society are needed in order to explain the clauses contained in the contracts with foreign investors. The option of land security has to be proposed to family farmers, who form the base of agriculture in the majority of West Africa;
- at the regional level, consultations between countires is a way to generate a code of conduct that all countries must respect
- The complexity of the situation comes from the fact that very few countries have the regulations needed to confront this phenomenon of land grabbing. At the regional level as well, there does not exist a reference point to guide countires and warn them of the problems.
- Actually, in West Africa, studies have been done to try and understand the magnitude of this phenomenon in countries to make suitable provision for securing family farms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rough translation from the french version:</p>
<p>Dear Participants,<br />
Let me first apologise for not being able to participate earlier in the eDiscussion. </p>
<p>Like you have been able to gather, the issue of large-scale land acquisitions is a real concern today for governments and people. But they do not have the same preoccupations:</p>
<p>For governments, large-scale acquisiton of land is an opportunity for investment in agriculture, that allows them to get out of the logic of small production and to benefit from exports, but the reality on the ground has proven that governments themselves do not know what the investors do with the land once they have bought it. Their hope of large-scale production to feed their people seems grim. On the other hand, they now face uprisings from the people whose lands are looted.</p>
<p>For communities, they are never consulted, nor informed when the governments negotiate with the investors. They are presented with a fait accompli and the clauses of the contract do not say much about them, which leads to their revolt; civil society is not consulted either and finds themselves in a position to defend the interests of communities.</p>
<p>Concerning intergovernmental organisations, they are not consulted either by the states who have concluded these deals and they also find themselves in a situation of fait accompli. This land issues is at the heart of state sovereignty, which means that intergovernmental organisations have very little ability to pressure these states.</p>
<p>We think that:<br />
- Consultation within countries between governments and communities and civil society are needed in order to explain the clauses contained in the contracts with foreign investors. The option of land security has to be proposed to family farmers, who form the base of agriculture in the majority of West Africa;<br />
- at the regional level, consultations between countires is a way to generate a code of conduct that all countries must respect<br />
- The complexity of the situation comes from the fact that very few countries have the regulations needed to confront this phenomenon of land grabbing. At the regional level as well, there does not exist a reference point to guide countires and warn them of the problems.<br />
- Actually, in West Africa, studies have been done to try and understand the magnitude of this phenomenon in countries to make suitable provision for securing family farms.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Carin Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr van de Wal calls for a roadmap to help secure land tenure for poor men and women. He says we should pool public and private resources together towards these end. So who is ready to design the new roadmap? And who is ready to contribute?  Can this be one way forward to addressing the problems raised in the report?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr van de Wal calls for a roadmap to help secure land tenure for poor men and women. He says we should pool public and private resources together towards these end. So who is ready to design the new roadmap? And who is ready to contribute?  Can this be one way forward to addressing the problems raised in the report?</p>
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